Scarpa’s New Telemark Boot Program?

There’s been a lot of tele innovation lately, but it’s all been in the world of tele traps, those contraptions called bindings linking your boot to the ski while adding a bit of flavor to the flex. They are an intrinsic ingredient to the telemark turn. And there has been a lot change in the last seven years, all of it in the province of the New Telemark Norm.

It is past due time for the boot makers to step up and refine their side of the equation. Lately that refinement has been limited to pruning models that are withering on the vine or cutting features that represent a liability. Not exactly a picture of innovation, but one of retreat. Scott Sports did step up and add tech inserts to their NTN Voodoo, but only at the toe — the “Achilles insert” will not be included.

It’s enough to give a telemarker heartburn, yet hope springs eternal.

Since the dawn of the Terminator, Scarpa has been a leader in telemark boot development. Even before the Terminator, Scarpa’s Tele Sauvage was as mean as leather could get, except it wasn’t mean enough.

The limit of what is possible with a duckbilled system has been achieved and it has two insurmountable limits. The first is the ability to provide a reliable, non-plate release system. Nobody has come up with a way to do it, or hadn’t until the duckbill was castrated for NTN. The other issue, affecting tele mountaineers only, is compatibility with alpine crampons. It’s too small of a market to make crampon toe bails for duckbills. Though elegant for initiating flex, the ugly duckbill has consequences.

A few years back Kim Miller, president of Scarpa USA told me, “we want to make a new tele boot, but we want the bindings to settle down a bit. There’s a lot of change going on now.”

The original NTN system – Terminator X with Freeride binding.

In a conversation with him before Christmas 2016 he reminded me the two paths of development were his fault, but not his intention. The basic NTN concept of clamping a boot between the toe and mid-foot was executed pretty well by Rottefella’s Freeride. Until they licensed the patent to 22 Designs, there wasn’t much variation to the concept, no new ideas. Even today, there are only three models of a “pure” NTN binding: Freedom, Freeride, and Outlaw.

However, there is another type of binding that NTN boots can work with, provided they are outfitted with inserts. With Dynafit inserts the boot can be held at the toe with a 2-pin tech binding. Known generically as telemark tech bindings, the Telemark Tech System was first tested, then patented in the US by Mark Lengel. It’s about a simple as it gets, and light to boot. Unbelievably, because those puny two pins at the toe can’t possible be strong enough, it skis as solid as a Hammerhead and tours like a Dynafit.

The presence of those inserts is where Kim Miller becomes culpable. As he told me, “those were a purely selfish feature we included just so I could use one boot to ski alpine or tele.”

But that opened the door to more than one way to connect to the boot, in a way only Fritz Barthel, the genius behind Dynafit, had ever bothered to conceive of. Fritz isn’t a telemarker, so why would he bother to purse that idea. But OMG’s Mark Lengel was. And Pierre Mouyade, as a new tele convert and a mechanical engineer couldn’t help but notice telemark bindings needed some help. He saw the value of the tech toe and the second heel connection of NTN so he merged them with the Meidjo binding.

When Outlaw came out the same year as Meidjo, and do-it-yourselfers began cobbling their own TTS together, Kim Miller could see binding designs converging and that was the signal to get back to work on a new boot. Or, as he mentioned last January in a meeting with Scarpa’s Italian design team, “we don’t just want to build a new boot, we’re looking at a new line of tele boots with features and capabilities that set a new threshold.”

Kim Miller, president of Scarpa USA and the author near Loveland Pass.

Traditionally such a goal is done behind closed doors, to stay a step ahead of the competition. However, it is apparent none of the other players are interested in doing anything other than milking the molds they have while they can. Besides, it’s not the same world it was twenty years ago. While there is a lot of noise on the world wide web, there are also nuggets of information worth harvesting. Scarpa wants to leverage that as they embark upon developing the next generation of telemark boots. They know from experience good design can do more than just improve the performance of their products, it can provoke competition and help fuel growth of the sport.

It isn’t like the key features the tele tribe wants aren’t already on Scarpa’s list of design goals. Things like lighter weight and more cuff mobility seem obvious. What else have you been dreaming of? It’s the internet, tell us what you think below, at backcountrytalk.com, on telemarkskier.com’s FB page, EarnYourTurns.com’s FB page, and/or submit your ideas in the attached survey.

SURVEY: https://goo.gl/forms/wiZJ39dDJ4xXAd2v1

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76 thoughts on “Scarpa’s New Telemark Boot Program?

  1. Comfy boots, all the tele boots i ever bought were not comfy…I have Garmont Energy At in 2 sizes too big so they don’t hurt too much.
    I don’t care about anything else.
    Why lighter?
    and i don’t get one of the features people talk about, locked down heel? then you’re skiing, not telemarking….

  2. One more vote for lighter weight, ROM, not too stiff flex (loved the older t2) similar to terminator x that can’t buy anymore, more focused on alpine touring with a less fat ski that can be driven with TTS medejo style bindings (seems like all the boots now are focused on hill skiing and are way too much for longer day touring), miss the older liners that wrapped around get lots more pressure points on the tongue liners and they are too hot, also please don’t forget about women who love to tour, availability in smaller sizes. Most of the new boots I can barely flex and it doesn’t even feel like tele skiing anymore in them.

  3. I echo all those above who’ve requested a focus on light weight and range of motion. I am still skiing Garmont Synergy’s on Switchbacks and 78cm-waisted K2 World Piste skis and unfortunately don’t (yet) have much experience on more modern skis, NTN, or tech bindings. But in recent years I’ve also experimented with “XCD” type skiing, inspired by Steve Barnett and his philosophy. I absolutely love it and have even done some spring Cascade volcano descents on skinny Madhus skis and old 3-pin bindings. Last spring on Saint Helens, where the snow was good, I managed to actually ascend faster than the crowds on AT gear. When I got back on my (actually pretty light) “heavy” telemark rig, it seemed so constricted. Meanwhile my AT friends have boots so comfortable and light they can go hiking and climbing in them even when skiing isn’t on the agenda.

    Long story short… to me the Holy Grail is to maintain the modern standard of downhill performance and recover that freedom of movement and light weight that got so many people into telemark in the first place. When I see a 1kg-ish tele boot with a range of motion comparable to light weight AT boots, I will immediately bust out the credit card and buy it — and THEN figure out which of the many exciting TTS or NTN bindings to acquire.

  4. I’d prefer a traditional tele-heel-notch rather than heel inserts. The notch would provide another possible location for the heel-lever, which would give us the ability to drastically change the way TTS performs, on-the-fly (notch for flats and atop heel for downhill). This might prove advantageous over AT setups in flat and rolling terrain (billygoating). Better yet, incorporate a swappable heel-insert/heel-notch :-)

    For me, the TX-Pro (size 25) is too wide in the forefoot and the cuff does not accommodate large calves well. I still own a pair, but they are brand new and I don’t expect I’ll ever use them. My Green F1’s fit WAY better. Ever consider offering boots in different volumes? You can call one volume “womens” if you’d like (just no pink!)

    Do you folks still have those OG F1 and F3 molds (hint)? Both work very well with TTS. Wish they had bellow-guards tho. I swapped the stock power-straps with ones that don’t stretch. Makes the boots feel burlier.

  5. Scarpa boots fit me well. I own T3’s, T2’s, T1’s and Lasers. I’ve tried the Terminator X and TX-pro. They fit great.

    But now that the tech heel inserts were very unfortunately pulled from the NTN design, I’m scrambling to find a solution to satisfy my evolving taste for the ever-perfectible telemark turn. If I were able to find a pair of the 3-buckle Terminator X (lime and black), I’d probably buy it now, because they’re the closest thing to what I’ve been waiting for for years.

    And that is:
    – a relatively light weight boot (I’m hoping for sub-3kg/pair)
    – comfortable touring cuff flexibility (the TX-Pro don’t quite cut it in my opinion, when compared to most of the current AT offerings)
    – medium flex (deep powder doens’t forgive the tip-dive)
    – compatible with a releasable binding
    – the possibility to clip the heel down with tech inserts (made possible by The M-Equipment Meidjo and Moonlight Mountain Gear’s Tele-Rando bindings)

    I believe there will be a market for all those former telemark skiers who have gone to AT skiing in the last 10 years. If those skiers can be made aware that they have the option of clipping their heel and have the best of both worlds in a reliable system, then I suspect many will be tempted to mix up the quiver and indulge in some non-committal free-heel fun.

    The market is there, not the product… Please, please make it happen.

  6. So happy to hear about such developpment / survey

    I’m ready to buy Meidjo bindings with light-weight skis… the only missing thing for me is a LIGHT weight shoe for telemark-touring
    I would also be interested in having inserts at the heel (not sure I will use them, but would like to have such option for steep or difficult areas)

    I can keep my T2 eco in 75mm one more year to be sure I will invest in what fits my needs for the coming years.

  7. Hi,

    I ski the TX Pro (old version) black and yellow.
    My suggestions:
    – Keep the tech inserts
    – Keep Intuition liners but would suggest their Dreamliner model. You can choose thin, medium or thick liner. I use them already for my alpine ski boot and my AT boot (thin and medium respectively).
    – 3 buckles instead of 4
    – Extra large cam power strap (instead of 4th buckle and power strap) like your F1 light touring boot
    – Ski/walk mechanism like the F1 light touring boot
    – I really like the black/orange color.

  8. Matching bellows to likely binding type / flex would be interesting.
    Could bellows be swoped in and out?
    Could bellows be rated for stiffness like alpine boots?

    Suspect lighter would be great… but then I am still using T1s circa 2002, maybe things have changed

  9. I’ve been on 3 buckles TX for 3 seasons, averaging 60 days per season. I’m 100 kg , never broke the boot bellow and never saw someone breaking it except on the first production run many years ago.
    My TX is perfect as it is for skiing, just make a cuff which can articulate like an F1 and lighter. Please stick with 3 bukles and get back to the overlapping liners.

  10. I wear a size 13 shoe and want to make the switch, but cannot find a boot big enough. Please consider making larger sizes in a NTN boot.

  11. As many have said above, the missing link is a touring-oriented boot on the level of the Dynafit TLTs/Atomic Backlands/etc. etc. etc. Light weight (<2.5kg) with a huge range of motion for touring. I tour on a TTS system using old Scarpa F1s. They aren't ideal for telemarking but they work well and tour better than any telemark boot since my leather boots. That AT design emerged from tele boots – lets take it back the other direction with an NTN/tech fitting sole and a sole flex optimized for tele.

    There is no reason that tele boots can't have equivalent cuff mobility to AT boots. I doubt they can ever be as light (due to the bellows, NTN sole, and flexible sole requirements), but they could be far lighter than the TX NTN boots…

    I don't really care about the rear inserts, but some do. So why not include them… the cost/boot is minimal.

    From my perspective, Scarpa (and Crispi and Scott) should end up with 3 boots in their lines:
    * Light touring-oriented boot that still skis great << this is the key…
    * Softer lift/tour boot (TX-Pro)
    * Stiff lift boot (TX-Race)

  12. (I am on TX Comps and Freerides) Crispi-style bellows and a stiffer/more durable material on the front duckbill of the boot for NTN would be great. I know that the plastic depressions in the front duckbill have to do with skiing style, but it would be nice to have that area not wear so quickly resulting in play between the NTN boot-binding interface. I don’t know if this would make the metal toe-piece of the freeride break more easily, but this area needs to be improved and to me is the fastest wearing spot on the NTN boots along with the bellows. Also, it would be great if the TX Comp came with a stiffer intuition liner/shell. This seems reasonable if the Scarpa line is going to stratify more between touring and resort.

  13. I have a wide foot 112 mm and high arch, size 29. And it’s a problem to use Scarpa boots. The most offensive, Scarpa make a wide plastic (T4 tele for example), which I can comfortably use with liners of third company, but I can’t use boots with an original liners.

    I see two dream telemark boots:

    1. Lightweight touring boots of NTN standard, with thermoforming warm liners, with Dynafit tech inserts on toe AND heel, with more range of motion on cuff in walk mode for touring (T4 has not enough range of motion), with softer flex but , hard torsion strength, to use it’s with lightweight bindings like Meidjo with possibility to lock heel. The similar version of 75 mm with 3-pin will be good idea.

    2. Lightweight boots of NTN standard, with thermoforming warm liners, with Dynafit tech inserts on toe AND heel, with more range of motion on cuff in walk mode for touring to use it’s with lightweight bindings like Meidjo with possibility to lock heel. Also required 4 buckles, power strap, 110 flex as a minimum, hard torsion strength. The similar version of 75 mm will be good too.

    For the both boots two version of liners required: for thin foot and for wide foot and high arch.

    Walk mode is very important in Russia, because sometimes you need walk about 70 km before you will come into the mountains (Polar Urals). :)

    The my main thing before I bought my current Crispi Evo, was Dynafit tech inserts on heel. Scarpa stop placing it into them boots. This was critical for me. My current 75mm boots is a BD Push and Garmont Excursion.

    Regards!

  14. I know Kim Miller and have sent him my thoughts on Tele boots over the last couple years. I’m glad that Scarpa is willing to listen to us and hopefully incorporate our needs into a new boot line. I ski more BC than area but tat can vary depending on conditions. I’m currently skiing 2 boots and 3 bindings on a variety of skis from ultralight to Voile BC’s to big fat powder boards, 95-118mm UF. My TX Pro’s is my Meidjo, NTN FR compatible boot. I use the TX Pro more in area and big BC terrain. I also have a Scarpa F1 (original) and it’s used almost exclusively with the TTS binding but sees some use with Dynafit/ Tech bindings locked down on occasion.

    What I love about the F1 is the light weight, ease of movement to touring from ski and back and the excellent range of motion on the cuff. What I’d love to see is an NTN version of this boot with the light weight and large range of cuff motion for touring. Keeping the Tech fitting toe and heel.

    I would still like to see a new TX Pro with lighter weight less buckles, easier ski to tour trabsition and back, similar stiffness as the current ver., more range of motion of the cuff and Tech fittings toe and heel.

    I would be a happy and content man if I could get those features in those 2 boots.

  15. Very exciting news! I think the results will be positive no matter what happens – tele boot designs haven’t changed dramatically in a long time.

    I have one idea:
    Given the range of preference in ball-of-foot flex, wouldn’t it be cool to be able to adjust this flex? I imagine a boot that you could set to soft for rolling terrain kick-and-glide, stiffer for downhill performance (as your preference dictates). Heck, you could even make the boot lock out and market it to AT skiers who want a more comfortable touring boot.

    I’m not an engineer, so I don’t have any great ideas on how this would be done. I do think it would require a shift away from the bellows design.

  16. I started 25+ years ago on Asolo extremes and graduated to T2 for many years . When it came time to pick a new setup i went NTN and Crispi/Rottefella. I’m now on a crispi evo and have a crispi shiver but i’ve skiied the TxComps and was not pleased.
    My .02c is that the scarpa boots have superior liners and hardware (buckles/straps) but the crispi bellows are way better. If scarpa is making a new boot my requests are:
    -stiffer bellows-I like an active feel and the ntn system requires a beefier bellows to drive the skis
    -lower volume-I know this is a longshot but the instep on most scarpas are YUGE on me and I cannot wear them as a result
    -sculpted heel pocket-this is already pretty good on the TX Comps I owned for 5 runs last year but could be a little better
    -all the inserts-just get on with it already-make me a boot that I can step into a dynafit, ntn and alpine binding-shit if you can make it with a 3pin toe and accept a heel bail thats even better.
    -lightweight-i’d love a four buckle boot thats suitable for touring on.
    -pay close close attention on an ntn setup on where the boot ‘breaks’ for the forefoot-especially the smaller sizes suffer from too ‘tippy toe’ break-move it further back towards the heel if possible.
    -hardware that is user servicable -if that q strap breaks let me fix it please

    PS i’m in Boulder so if you want me to come by and have a mold of my feet taken thats ok too. I’ll even field test those suckers to make sure you got it right.
    ;-)

  17. Need a freetour tele boot in the same weight class and with equivalent ROM as the Beast/Khion or the Maestrale RS. Nowadays inserts are a must.

  18. I wnat a waterproof TX Pro. Fantastic boot in combination with Freedom bindning but it is leaking worse than my old Asolos!

  19. I want a waterproof TX Pro. The boot i s perfect in combination with Freedoms but is leaking worse than my old leather boots!

  20. Tele skiers need gear as supportive as Alpine gear and as lite as AT gear!! Wait, we have all that –At and Alpine gear.
    There’s a lot of anxiety over the future of Telemark skiing (if forum chatter means anything at all) as folks ponder ways to keep the sport alive and spread the ..stance, and one thing is for sure: 10000 new boot and binding options that require massive infusions of $$$$ just to squat and bend at the knees, sure will hasten the end — or relegate the sport to the moneyed classes. Somehow all the gear options have to get simpler and reasonably priced.

  21. Kevin Radford
    I have gone away from the (previous)Garmont Voodoo, and the Scarpa boots because i feel like the boots keep getting the “burlier, stiffer is better treatment”, but that only gets put into the cuff and lateral movement of the boot. The BELLOWS have not kept pace! That is why i have gone to the Crispi XR. The bellows are more inline(stiffness, even flex, some rebound!) with the newer boots. Bellows! Bellows! Bellows! Please and thanks.

  22. I am new teleskier (nobody told me it was this much fun!), lifelong Alpiner, reformed AT skier and Nordic ski racer (CL + FS). Weight wise, leaving AT behind was difficult for me (as was the sweet ascending techtoe). Tele gear for mountain touring is so much heavier!! I love the light weight and minimalism of Nordic touring gear and mindset. I find the weight and capability is actually very similar to the current crop of overpriced, uphill (98%/2%) oriented, overpriced, carbon skimo race gear. How about a Race75 boot that can hang with the Alien crowd? For pure Nordic Touring, the Alpina Alaska is an awesome boot that is available in 75 mm. Why are there VERY few choices in a simple & light Nordic touring boot? I like how many skiers have skied into the vacuum with their BC-NNN boots & bindings and have begun to go long (>10km) for low angle turns, trees, pow harvesting. The forgotten XCD crowd has successfully pushed this gear well beyond it’s intended design envelope. Perhaps the market needs some sexy Scarpa BC-NNN boots for these purposes? Minimalism and high function appeal to me. Greater numbers of skiers live in terrain that is suitable for capable Nordic Touring gear. The bindings do not seem to be the limiting factor – everybody who says you can’t do this will tell you that you’ll rip the toe bar right out the boot. In reality it doesn’t seem to happen that often but let’s see what Scarpa can do to improve BC-NNN ? Thanks!

    1. yes, telemark has been re-branded “nordic touring” or “XCD” by the industry. Don’t know why more leather 75mm aren’t out there but it’s encouraging that several beefy NNNBC options are available. NNNBC is vastly inferior to simple Rottefella or Voile 3-pin for downhill turns however.

      As for me, I’m stockpiling Crispi Antarctics, Andrew Zenith and Alico’s like there’s no tomorrow! leather and lace is real telemark. IMO if you put heavy, stiff plastic boots on you might as well ski AT. and oh yeah…..Asnes!!!

  23. I agree with Krazy Klimber, a true hybrid tele tech boot. A stiffer TXPro base with a locking bellows, heel inserts. 30yr free heeler about to transition to Meidjos. Thanks for asking!

  24. Something akin to the F3 with an ntn sole. I love that boot on my lite weight touring ski/tts setup.
    Add in a bit more cuff range of motion and keep it affordable, that would be a winner in my books.

  25. Its important to note that what telemark needs is a new BACKCOUNTRY boot and that should be the focus as there are already plenty of clunky, heavy resort boots on the market. I agree with most of the above comments and I think there is much to be learned and borrowed from the development of AT boots. It pains me to admit this but I have been using SCARPA Aliens for about a year now because although I don’t like making alpine turns I can cover way more ground and abuse my body less by using a lighter setup with more ROM(range of motion). Weight and ROM are the most important aspects in a new backcountry tele boot. Light AT boots like the Alien and F1 show that 4 buckles aren’t necessary to control light skis, however the ankle buckle design of current SCARPA tele boots is crucial for locking the heel down and providing a flex point at the ankle. New boots need to be designed to work with light bindings (TTS, Meidjo, and hopefully a 22-Designs tech binding) and light skis. It appears that NTN is here to stay but it would be really nice if there was a 75mm boot that incorporated these concepts as well. Come on SCARPA we need this! This feed shows there is a market!!!

  26. Please make a SKIMO-boot for tele tech bindings. I enjoy the free movement of the ankle in SKIMO boots, and would love to have the same lightweight and running shoe like feeling when touring on telemark. It is ironic that SKIMO skis with AT bindings are lighter and easier to tour then any tele binding and boot combination now days.

  27. Great to hear there’s development in Tele-boots!
    I agree with many of the posts and would like to see (at least) two lines of boots:
    – A Really lightwight boot with NTN & Tech inserts (at least front), to enable lighter touring with TTS or Meidjo and light skis. This could enable touring a bit more like in the old days (going easlily over loger distance on flat terrain) but with a modern touch and stability so that even the downhill will be good
    – Continued development of the TX Pro/Comp range, with tech inserts at least in the front of both to enable using Meidjo. I am very happy with the TX Pro exactly as it is today!

  28. Tech inserts on the toe AND heel. What’s the point of removing the inserts on the heel? I love the option to just have one boot for both telemark and alpine skiing!

  29. RE your fantastic 75mm boots: they are a wheel of sorts and not broken, no need for a fix! Nothing will replace the simplicity and effectiveness of 75mm overall.

  30. My husband is switching to NTN this year, while I keep my 75mm’s. I would love to switch as well, but I can’t find a boot that fits me! Women have so few options. I need a boot the fits my foot and provides the stiffness and responsiveness that a men’s boot provides. I can find CUTE boots that are REALLY comfortable but collapse when I work them. Women rip! We need equipment options that provide good fit and responsiveness to more than one foot shape. I have a high instep and it is impossible to find a boot I can secure tightly and also maintain circulation.

  31. Today I am using TX Comp which is an excellent boot :-)
    A stiffer and lighter boot with tech insert would possibly make me change. Why not make a TX Comp II?

    Have run Crispi Evo and a number of T1 before the TX Comp (and a number of boots not worth mentioning)

    If all the patents would be free, we could have real development on the binding side. Why not a stiffer Meidjo-type of binding but combined with a front/toe plate?

  32. Wider!! and higher!! TX comp (I have wide feet and high arches and my boot fitter always have to punch the shells to the max. Skiers who want them thinner can choose another brand, I have nothing else to choose from)
    Reworked bellows (all of my T pairs of TX comp have cracks starting to form. One of my friends has had 3 pairs of TX Pro, all have cracked in the bellows within 1 year)
    Redesign the walk mode lock. (After 1 season of skiing in a pair of TX Comp while never unlocking the tour mode, I went for a week of touring in Norway ISIA safety course. The walk mode was after 3 days of touring so worn that it did not lock properly in the first position. Granted, I had ca 100 days of skiing in the boot by that time. Anyway, a boot aught to last 2 seasons! If you don’t agree, then state on the box how many days of skiing one can expect to get out of a boot.)
    Bring back the no walk mode metal part as an option to the walk mode. It stiffens up the whole boot (I moved my first generation TX comp component, to save the above mentioned newer boot.)
    I have had the main connection between the shoe and shaft fall out a couple of times. Please redesign, that should not occur ever!
    When everything else is fixed, please make the TX Comp a little bit stiffer too.

    Every year I have to have a new boot in the process of fitting and one that I ski in. If I could trust I would get 2 years of use out of one shell I would only have to fit new boots every other year instead of every year. That would be excellent, it would save lots of time and money!

  33. Only the telemark community would reach out for this kind of feedback…this is what makes this group so great.

    If anything I want to see telemark – in any form – stay alive. The “let’s always make money” mindset of the ski industry is always against us. Therefore tech toes AND tech heels on all NTN or similar boots.

    I only ski on 75mm so I’d love for it to stay alive too. Especially for resort days because I really want a set of skis with Bishop bindings.

  34. A boot that skis like the Crispi Evo Rando but is lighter and has better cuff ROM. Coming from the TX Pro the performance of the Crispi’s just blow it out of the water. The TX Pro is an overcooked noodle from cuff to bellows that really struggles to drive a big ski. In the Scarpa world I imagine comps would better suit my skiing but continuing to insist on leaving the tech fittings off doesn’t really make them a viable option in todays tech binding tele world.

  35. Lighter boots in both 4 buckle and 3 buckle. A carbon/composite sole that has a designed flex built into the material, should take some of the load off the binding for lateral stability. Adjustable lateral cuff flex adjustment for steep, icy traversing. Duck bill, duck Bill; Duck Bill \!<

  36. Please please please go stiffer. I feel like my tx comps are half as stiff as my old bd customs. Also, why not some sexy colors like the old candy canes.

  37. There are very few options that are a good fit for women with a narrow foot except for the Scarpa T2/T3 – and very hard to find a women’s 10.5 /43 …it,s a good boot but would benefit from an inner lace to give more support for the big leaps. I have several several pairs of skis, and 3 diff boots, Excursions, Scarpas and Crispi for different days, whether climbing with skins, or long touring out to deep and steeps, or riding the groomers. Why can’t we have a nice comfy boot that has the ability to be cinched tight for steeps, or laced soft for touring? And able to fit a bale, as well as a spring/stiff binding like the hammerhead? I want one boot that I can do it all with. Also love the transitional leather boots we all had in the old days, those are the boots that get people hooked on the backcountry. That is the best boot to learn the turn, and be comfy in. Build them again and they will come! :)

  38. I still have my old scrapa T2 purchased in the late 90’s.
    I love them and they still do great. How about new liners?
    Keep the boots simple and accessible to get other folks to try a new sport – it’s hard for people to justify another set of gear but if it’s affordable it could be worth it.
    Getting more people out trying the sport can only add the pool of experience.
    Still have my chillis too ;)

  39. Leather to plastic the transition has always been an improvement. For bindings, from SuperLoop to the evolution of more active bindings the transition has been awesome. The challenge of being able to carve both skis throuigh the radius of a telemark turn is pure nirvana for a skier. The Hammerhead trace combo was cutting edge. NTN takes telemark to another level. Bindings are now becoming more refined. Freeride is awesome. Freedom cuts weight and gives similar performance but may not take the reps of an aggresive skier. Outlaw has a nice smooth engagement and is just as active as the Rottefella bindings. The TX Pro has sofetr belows and is not as stiff laterally as the TX Comp. Crispi World Cup has a nice flex and a very good sole to ski feel although not laterally as stiff as the TX Comp. I like being able to feel the ski withe the Crispi versus the Scarpa. Whatever you choose boot fit between Scarpa and Crispi could drive your choice based on your foot dimension. Have skied the Garmont/Scott and did not prfer that boot as it can collapse and pinch toes at front of boot with the bail on front of binding. Whatever your choice go NTN. You need to ski it at leasat 3 days. 75mm needs to go away and at is like snowboarding!

  40. *NTN + front and rear tech attachments, with a groove for the crampon bail
    *Vibram-type sole
    *A strap/buckle that will actually help hold the heel down in the boot.
    *Good ROM and lateral rigidity
    *Room enough for wide feet

  41. Thanks Craig! Very excited to hear that a fire is being lit in the Scarlatti NA boardroom. Low cost, simple suggestion: re-use the original F1 mold with NTN second heel added and adjust durometer of bellows plastic. Limits cost of new molds and gives tele-tour fans a great light boot with outstanding cuff ROM. Would work with NTN/Outlaw, tele-tech, and AT tech bindings. Tell Kim “you’re welcome”! :-)

    1. I have skied, to their death, three pairs of F1 Carbon’s with TTS over several years. I completely agree with Bruce. With some changes this would be the beginning of a great Tele boot. Bellows needs work and add an NTN duckbut. Cuff is one of the best designs out there.

  42. Hey Scarpa, a word for the happy minority:
    I just hope that after wading through all of these obsequious and fawning posts, you keep producing the great 75mm options you are so famous and respected for! Not everyone has the ridiculous amounts of $$$$ all the new binding “options” require and neither are they interested in becoming mechanical engineers to just mount, tweak and and fix all of the junk involved. Some of us just want to SKI, and to ski on Voile 3pin/Cables, Switchbacks and Hardwire3-pins! Ok, and maybe even Cobras, Chillis and Rivas et al! For those of us with REAL Tele skills, whence the need for all the new and expensive and sure-to-break junk?
    Keep the T2eco’s, T4’s, T1’s, and Trace’s coming! ( If you can’t ski a steep slope in control on 3pinCables and T4’s, you need a new sport!)

    1. Raven,
      Since your skills are so evolved and you are so mighty, perhaps this was not the place for you to post? Many of us continue to ski steeps, firm snow, and other challenges with cable binders and 75mm duckbills, and still want improvements in the gear we use day in and day out. The point of the article, and the question itself was, what do you, the tele-skier want? It was not “How will you bag on other skiers with a holier than thou attitude?”

  43. The biggest opportunity is in a lighter weight, softer boot that is compatible with the lighter BC skis w waxless patterns. Boots like the T4, Excursion, Fischer 675 that are driving skis in rolling terrain with waist widths 70+ mm. A package like a T4, Voile 3pin/cable and Fischer Sbounds 112/125/Madshus Annum is a super versatile setup and relatively low cost. People are using AT in terrain where the above setup would work but have to deal with transitioning between the ups and downs. People see the duckbill and know it’s old and they want new and exciting and are paying for AT. There is still some binding development needed (touring w resistance for control on the mellow downs) This will get more people exploring the backwoods and feeling the freeheel freedom. The lack of a simple, light weight boot/binding option keeps me from jumping to NTN.

  44. Agree with a lot that has already been posted here.
    What is lacking in tele boots is a lightweight, but stiff 3 buckle tech fitting boot. If that takes carbon to make it light then use it.
    Also should be a very warm boot for long tours or hut trips.
    There are plenty of super stiff 4 buckle resort boots.
    There is no sense going to a tech binding if your boots weigh 9 pounds.

    My 2 cents.

  45. A complete rework of the T4. Lighter like the F1. NTN. Intuition liners.
    A skimo boot for tele skiers that can exploit the new lighter, releasable, brakes-on bindings. Enough lateral power for Nordic patrolers to control a sled without having to be built like a linebacker.

  46. My biggest qualm with my duckbill T1s is the forward lean. They feel great in the shop, but on the hill, my quads are always engaged and it feels like I’m wearing high heels. If I start making parellel turns, I’ll sometimes even flip into walk mode to stand up taller and relieve my quads.
    I’ve been teleing for close to ten years and these are the first boots I’ve had such an issue with, and a cousin of mine reports the same.
    Also, a low volume boot, kind of like climbing shoes. I don’t mind if it’s men’s vs women’s line of HV vs LV, but as someone with a super skinny, low volume foot, I find myself cranking my buckles down far too tight to achieve a good fit, at which point the boot is much more stiff than I would like. This is one of my biggest issues with the T1s

  47. I am happy with my 75mm T-race boots and hope you continue a 85mm line for another decade which is how long I think I can tell ski.

  48. Well I’m sticking with 75 mm boots and when they are gone I’ll go back to Alpine skiing, so please keep making some for another decade at which point t I’ll be in my mid 60’s and Alpine will be just fine.

  49. I am curious about the comments on even flex across the TX PRO. I love my TX PRO’s (because they actually fit my low volume foot) and I must be compensating for the soft flex pattern with active bindings. I am on the Outlaws.

    I would love a boot that can lock out the bellows so, when traveling, I need only one pair of boots with me. Plus – there is considerable effort to get one boot to properly fit and, once I accomplish that, I don’t want to have to rinse and repeat in a different boot shell. What this will mean to boot manufacturers is that I will wear out my one pair of boots (practical limit of days in boot) sooner and be willing to consider new pairs with new capabilities more often. I have NO issue with that when I consider the huge advantage of having one boot that is warm and comfortable and optimizes my turn whether my heels are confined or not.

  50. Awesome post, Thanks Craig.

    I would really move the market two ways:
    1. for the top downhillers… big stiff boots with better touring capacities. (inserts, acceptable range of motion, reasonable weight…)
    2. for the tourers… super light, super range of motion.

    Bigger and stiffer have been seen in some 75mm model like the red T-Race or the BD custom. It seems this was not needed at first with the NTN Freeride. But with the NTN Freedom and now the more even flex 22 design Outlaw, this is a must. And if you go the TTS way, this is even more important in my mind. I just can’t ski the TX-pro with the Meidjo and a big ski. I’m happy with the Crispi WC but I would take more power still.

    For the traditional form and the feeling, I think the light boot with descent downhill capacities is a big market for us. This is where we lost most of the telemark tribe to the Rando market.

  51. Generally really happy with the TX Comp in terms of performance and fit. Please keep using the real Intuition Liners. All others are just a throw-away.

    I have one boot for all purposes – touring and resort skiing – over 100 days per year about 60/40 resort/touring.

    Flex of the TX Comp is a good balance. My wish list is pretty simple:

    1. Tech toes as a minimum (lots of good touring dedicated options now with tech toes)
    2. Taller cuff in smaller sizes (Size 24.5 is a pretty low cuff height)
    3. Slightly more ROM in walk mode; this would help touring days on Freerides rather than Freedoms
    4. Tech heel just because (I’d likely never use it, however)

    Thanks for asking us for input.

  52. Lighter for sure and much more cuff mobility! Would love a stiff boot like the t race. Also the last get mid step (second buckle from the toe) on my last Gen t-race were not tight enough. Had to switch to a smaller strap. Need more variation In tightness of the mid strap. Power straps like the booster straps would be rad as well.

    Stoked to see the new boots! Might have to make the switch once they come out.

  53. Even Flex across the entire boot:

    Problem with my current TX Pros (2015/16) is the bellows are too soft. But the cuff is great for me and is quite stiff.
    Can lead to tippy toe and since the cuff overpowers the bellows, it is not a good match.

    Never had this issue with Scarpa 75mm boots. The T2Xs had a great even flex in my memory. I’d love to have the fit and flex of that boot back (red) with the addition of NTN, tech inserts front and back, light weight and better ROM.

    I already have 2 pairs of TX Pros that are new enough that they don’t need replacing. What would a new boot need to make me shell out more money:
    1. Even flex across the boot would do it alone.
    2. Light weight would seal the deal.
    3. Better ROM would be appreciated, but really for me, the other two are more important.

  54. Would like a true hybrid tele-tech boot. Inserts and cuff mobility are obvious, but need a mode contraption that frees/fixes the flex of the foreboot. Could be a three-way mechanism that locks down cuff then foreboot in succession so has tour->tele->alpine modes.

  55. I have scarpa TX pro – skid
    Rottefella freedom and dynafit radical touring in Japan. They were the most comfortable system I had tried! Now I ski the M Equip, and as a Nordic instructor don’t see much reason for heal inserts unless you have to ski alpine – however to include everyone on tours there are some who would prefer the hybrid system off tts and heal lock down. Scarpa boots fit my foot better than any other manufacturer I’ve tried, so we look forward to the next generation!

  56. YES! NTN is here to stay and our telemark tribe needs some lightweight boots to match the freedom and outlaw’s uphill-ness. Not to mention that there are so few choices nowadays – if the shoe fits wear it and get out there because it’s awesome. We are people too.

  57. I wish for a easy to enter reliable and light binding paired to a smooth flexing boot that maintains a flow feel with power . Amen

  58. I wish for a binding that maintains the flow feeling of a tele turn and a boot that offers power. I wish for a reliable system that is easy.

  59. Very interesting information from Scarpa team. I am glad to see that a new teleboots line will be designed taking into account latest bindings release and expectations from Telemarkers. When can we expect to see these new Scarpa boots ?

  60. Great idea! i dream of 2 ntn boots, both with tech inserts

    1) a big mountain boot that is as stiff as the red T1 race. I moved on to the TX Comp, really good boot, but not as snug nor precise as the T1 race.The toe box could also be a tad smaller.

    2) a true touring ntn boot. That is in my wildest dreams. The power of ntn plastic, light, functional, warm, to be paired with Meijdjo with soft springs and zag ubac like skis, nice and versatile to go out far in the Alps. Reminiscent of the good old leather boots, or scarpa T3 later renamed T4, the only plastic boot that had a leather feel. No rocker please, and higher than the T3, that cut the calfs on edging. Maybe base it on your F1.

  61. Amazing! I’m super excited to see the new developments. I ski the TX Pro (the 2 pairs I have both have heel and toe tech inserts – yes!) and would really appreciate a more even flex: bellows vs cuff. (bellows are too soft). I have 2 pairs because the usual 27.0 (previous Scarpa boots) were too volumous and my feet slid around, banging the ends. So I got the 27.5, which work better but are a touch loose feeling – at least there is no bang.

  62. As you said : lighter weight (much lighter), more cuff mobility, same stiffness as a TxComp, front / rear inserts.
    And nice colors please, don’t redo the F1 EVO / TxPro joke.

    Deal ?

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